Screwtape Letter #23 – Discussion Guide

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Letter #23

The Screwtape Letters Study Guide

Time for Wormwood to take practice to reality.

 


 

My dear Wormwood,

Through this girl and her disgusting family the patient is now getting to know more Christians every day, and very intelligent Christians too. … A spoiled saint, a Pharisee, an inquisitor, or a magician, makes better sport in Hell than a mere common tyrant or debauchee.

23.1) Although we don’t know if it’s even possible to lose salvation, Screwtape says one who has lost it “makes better sport”. Why would this be the case – especially considering that he tells Wormwood to pretend to be an angel of light?

 

 

Is it possible to lose salvation? See Ezekiel 18 for some thoughts.

Without getting too deep into the question of whether it’s possible to lose salvation, here’s a few verses on the topic –

Eze 18:19 “Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. 20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

Eze 18:21 “But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. 22 None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live. 23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

Eze 18:24 “But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die.

Eze 18:25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear, O house of Israel: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die. 27 But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. 28 Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Are my ways unjust, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?

Eze 18:30 “Therefore, O house of Israel, I will judge you, each one according to his ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

Repent & live. That would be the same message as Jesus.

If then, it’s not possible to lose salvation – what is Screwtape’s goal here?

Could be one of two things –

Is the person really saved?

It’s possible that salvation was never obtained to begin with.

What comes out in words may not be what’s in our hearts.

Maybe we really never truly accepted Jesus.

Saved, but ...

It’s also possible to be saved, but not enjoy what comes from salvation while on this earth –

Ps 51:10 Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.

Ps 51:11 Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.

Ps 51:12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.

Conclusions?

So maybe Screwtape is trying to keep someone from being truly saved – maybe he’s trying to make this life miserable for someone who has been saved – and maybe he’s trying to convert others to his father below by using this person as an example.

 

 

 

Looking round your patient’s new friends I find that the best point of attack would be the borderline between theology and politics. Several of his new friends are very much alive to the social implications of their religion. … The advantages of these constructions, which we intend to change every thirty years or so, are manifold.

Screwtape now gets into two topics we often say it’s best to avoid – politics and religion.

In the first place they all tend to direct men’s devotion to something which does not exist, for each ‘historical Jesus’ is unhistorical. … but which is enough to produce a crop of new Napoleons, new Shakespeares, and new Swifts, in every publisher’s autumn list.

 

23.2a) Including Napoleon in the list is an interesting choice. Even while Jesus was alive (as a human) – His followers wanted Him to be a Napoleon of sorts. What’s wrong with this view?

 

What would happen to our salvation in this scenario?

Among other things, to reduce Jesus to this level is to take away His death as a means of salvation for us. It would make Him into just another political ruler.

 

 

In the second place, all such constructions place the importance of their historical Jesus in some peculiar theory He is supposed to have promulgated. … We make the Sophists: He raises up a Socrates to answer them.

 

23.2b) What is the problem with considering Jesus to be nothing more than a great moral teacher?

 

Salvation again - but even more

Again, it takes away His death giving us salvation. There’s also the question of whether someone who claimed to be God – and we didn’t believe that claim – could be a good moral teacher. Most likely, we consider them a bit crazy. Somehow though – people can say this about Jesus and not be concerned that He claimed to be God.

 

Our third aim is, by these constructions, to destroy the devotional life. … Instead of the Creator adored by its creature, you soon have merely a leader acclaimed by a partisan, and finally a distinguished character approved by a judicious historian.

 

23.2c) How can this be done – and how can it be prevented?

 

Just in case a hint is needed ...

Look around – it’s happening now. It happens in schools, in the media, in the courts. It’s an unrelenting assault.

 

 

And fourthly, besides being unhistorical in the Jesus it depicts, religion of this kind is false to history in another sense. … The ‘Gospels’ come later and were written not to make Christians but to edify Christians already made.

 

23.2d) That last sentence is very powerful –

The ‘Gospels’ come later and were written not to make Christians but to edify Christians already made.

Maybe this is why some people read the Bible and think it’s a “nice story” – others think it’s foolish – and others think it’s a Book of Truth.

Talk about what it really means about our ability to “save ourselves”.

 

Seriously?

We can’t save ourselves. We are saved through the grace of God. No amount of logic / statistical evaluation of the number of prophesies fulfilled by Jesus / reading the Bible as a “good book” can save us.

In order to really get a deeper understanding of the Bible – it requires the Holy Spirit to be present in us – which comes after accepting Jesus.

 

 

 

The ‘historical Jesus’ then, however dangerous He may seem to be to us at some particular point, is always to be encouraged. About the general connection between Christianity and politics, our position is more delicate. Certainly we do not want men to allow their Christianity to flow over into their political life, for the establishment of anything like a really just society would be a major disaster. On the other hand we do want, and want very much, to make men treat Christianity as a means; preferably, of course, as a means to their own advancement, but, failing that, as a means to anything—even to social justice. The thing to do is to get a man at first to value social justice as a thing which the Enemy demands, and then work him on to the stage at which he values Christianity because it may produce social justice. For the Enemy will not be used as a convenience. Men or nations who think they can revive the Faith in order to make a good society might just as well think they can use the stairs of Heaven as a short cut to the nearest chemist’s shop. Fortunately it is quite easy to coax humans round this little corner. Only today I have found a passage in a Christian writer where he recommends his own version of Christianity on the ground that ‘only such a faith can outlast the death of old cultures and the birth of new civilisations’. You see the little rift? ‘Believe this, not because it is true, but for some other reason.’ That’s the game,

Your affectionate uncle

SCREWTAPE

23.3) Screwtape quotes an American theologian?

That quote is from Reinhold Niebuhr, who some would say was one of the great American Theologians of the 20th Century.

The following quotes are from The Presbyterian Outlook website, on Nov 5, 1007.

//pres-outlook.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6172

Thirty-six years after his death, Protestant theologian Reinhold Niebuhr seems more alive than ever. Perhaps not since President Jimmy Carter acknowledged Niebuhr’s influence in his 1976 campaign has the name been on so many people’s lips.

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama told New York Times columnist David Brooks that Niebuhr is “one of my favorite philosophers.” Brooks himself quotes Niebuhr consistently, describing him as a thinker we could use today “to police our excesses” in foreign policy.

Niebuhr’s own grounding of his political beliefs in his Christian faith may serve as another factor in the increased interest in him. While Republicans have long cloaked their programs and policies in the language of faith, Democrats have increasingly turned to a religious vocabulary to cast foreign and domestic issues in moral terms. At debates and forums, candidates from both parties have spoken about how faith has informed their public policies and personal lives with a pietistic emphasis some believe would have discomfited Niebuhr.

It would seem that C. S. Lewis wasn’t a fan of Niebuhr’s point of view.

Given what Screwtape said – how is his proposed plan of attack using religion and politics taking place today?

 

The discussion here is going to be politically charged. However – it’s likely that an unbiased look at things will reveal that both parties are trying to use their interpretations to do the things they want – without really getting the true message.

Jesus and the Romans

Jesus didn’t even talk about overthrowing the Romans – one of the most repressive governments ever. To the contrary – He said

Mt 22:17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

Mt 22:18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me?”

Mt 22:19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius,

Mt 22:20 and he asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?”

Mt 22:21 “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

Government, the poor and the Church

For instance, Jesus wanted the people – the church to take care of the poor – not the government.

Mt 19:16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life ?”

Mt 19:17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.18 “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony,

Mt 19:19 honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’’”

Mt 19:20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” 22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

 

 

Vocabulary:

 

debauchee – A spoiled saint, a Pharisee, an inquisitor, or a magician, makes better sport in Hell than a mere common tyrant or debauchee.

debauchee – a person addicted to excessive indulgence in sensual pleasures; one given to debauchery.

 

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